Is the Angle Cut Evidence of Controlled Demolition?
For years I’ve been looking at this 45 degree angle cut covered in slag and wondering if it’s evidence for controlled demolition or is it simply a column that was cut during cleanup? Still to this day, no one knows the photographer or when the photo was taken. The interesting thing about this column is that there can only be two explanations. It was either cut with a cutter charge or it was cut with an oxyacetylene torch. Those are the only two options. Let’s see if we can figure it out.
The Column in question is a center core column
“In a controlled demolition, would a cutter charge (right photo) leave a similar cut seen on the WTC steel column (left photo)? There have been 100’s if not 1000’s of CD’s that we should be able to compare this too.”
ARGUMENTS FOR CD
a) A Thermite charge would leave more slag like this since it’s using molten iron to do the cutting. A cutting torch would not produce as much slag as it’s being forced out and away from the column.
b) No clean up crew would cut that beam at that angle as it would require much more work than cutting horizontally while using up more oxyacetylene. The column should have been secured first in a sling in a controlled fashion.
c) This beam does not look to be accesible to Iron workers and all I see are firefighters that look to be searching for survivors.
CAN A THERMITE CHARGE CUT THROUGH STEEL?
“In early 1997, Lawrence Livermore successfully tested a shaped charge that penetrated 3.4 meters of high-strength armor steel. The largest diameter precision shaped charge ever built produced a jet of molybdenum that traveled several meters through the air before making its way through successive blocks of steel (Figure 1). A shaped charge, by design, focuses all of its energy on a single line, making it very accurate and controllable.”
3.4 meters = 11.15 feet.
Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate
THERMITE – It can CUT I-Beams and Girders (Short Version)
Linear Thermite Charge (5 seconds)
Rebuttal To Enrico’s Wtc Steel Paper
WHEN DID CLEANUP START?
“Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) has developed a plan that may be used to clean up the World Trade Center (WTC) disaster. The plan, delivered on Sept. 22 to the city’s Department of Design and Construction, outlines a site-wide master plan.” -Waste Age (10/16/21)
120 Trucks Full Of WTC 7 Steel Removed (9_12 10am)
“We were able to move 120 dump trucks out of the city last night, which should give you a sense of the work that was done overnight. So, some of the debris has already been removed, more of it is being removed and will be done by barge all throughout the day today.” ~ Rudy Giuliani (@ 1:04)
“As the mayor indicated the focus is still on search and rescue.” ~ Pataki (@3:00)
No, Rudy’s focus was removing the debris as quickly as possible from the CRIME SCENE! They were removing debris from Ground Zero from day one.
IRON WORKERS CUTTING STEEL
There were 1000’s of steel columns that Iron Workers had to cut during cleanup. Here are videos and pictures of cut columns. Notice any differences or similarities to the column in question? None of them are cut at 45 degrees and very little slag is noticeable.
WTC Angle Cut Columns during cleanup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANVkQ4& (@ 1:35)
Working at Ground Zero 6. WTC Debris, Ironworkers Cutting Steel
Several examples of iron workers cutting steel. (Hour long)
@1:50, @6:11, @8:00, @27:14, @29:10, many others.
Ground Zero, Manhattan after 9/11 – WTC recovery, continued
9/11 WTC – Kurt Sonnenfeld video footage 9/11
PHOTOS OF ANGLE CUTS DURING CLEANUP
Cutter Charges in the North Tower of the World Trade Center
Shaped Charges and the World Trade Center Collapses
ARGUMENTS AGAINST CD
a) Many columns were cut by torches. So this photo could have been done during cleanup.
b) There shouldn’t be just one of these columns in question, there should be many.
c) Cutting with a thermic lance can leave slag.
d) The column is cut in an uneven way (i.e. one part of it shows no signs of being cut. Was probably where the column broke off).
e) The top of the column is uneven. The small dent at the top is likely where the torch cut started.
f) The grooves on the column all point at an angle, not horizontally like we would see from explosives.
“In response to Ken’s post here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204686781/permalink/10151457425116782/ I would like to urge everyone to discard that particular column as evidence of controlled demolition. That column was almost certainly cut by a cutting torch, and does not resemble what we would see had explosives/thermite attacked it.”
Angled cut column explained
@0:03 – I’m not claimng “proof of thermite” but it could be evidence of demolition.
@0:27 – “but the photograph is not dated…”. This is the missing piece of evidence. I agree with you.
@0:43 – “a torch would not leave so much slag”. There is no slag at all on these columns and they most likely were cut by a torch.
@1:09 – “(10″) Thick.” The towers were 4 inches thick. Much easier to force out the slag the thinner the steel. The iron worker was also making an inward horizontal cut as opposed to diagonal. The slag was coming out the back, not the front.
@1:43 – “Grooves” indicate a cutting torch.” This is why I posted this thread. In a controlled demolition, would a cutter charge (right photo) leave a similar cut seen on the WTC steel column (left photo)?
@3:49 and beyond….. You beleive those columns were all cut with explosives? Interesting, let me look more into it.
“Personally, I think the main areas the explosives were placed was on the 24 outer core columns (the 24 of the 47 that made up the perimeter of the core) and the 4 corner perimeter columns. I think they were placed on every third floor of each building, since the core columns in the Towers were welded at every third floor. The outer core columns were the ones the floors were directly connected to, so destroying these columns would cause the floors to collapse and sufficiently destroy the buildings’ internal stability. The corner perimeter columns would be cut, since they were the columns that held the four walls together. Taking those columns out would then destroy the buildings’ external stability.” – Adam Taylor
demohypoclip (Tony Szamboti)
Angled cut column explained.
Gordon Ross MEng investigation into the collapse of the WTC on 9/11
PHOTOS OF BLOWN INWARDS/OUTWARDS COLUMNS
“The charge’s shock wave deforms the surface of the object directly under the charge. When the charge is placed on a concrete surface, it causes a compressive shock wave that crumbles the concrete in the immediate vicinity of the charge, forming a crater. When placed on a steel surface, the charge
causes an indentation or depression about the size of the contact area of the charge.” Page 3-1 of http://www.bits.de/FNRANEU/others/amd-us-
Van Romero does experiment with Thermite Paint.
Thermite Test #2 at NMTech EMRTC
Dr. Van Romero tests thermite-blasted beam
After 4 minutes is when my blood pressure starts to rise. Listen to the last 2 and a half minutes. What a joke.
“The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.” FEMA, C-13, Appendix C.6
Why and How the Towers Fell (bottom of page)
Lets see if a torch can cut through thick steel.
What about this one?
After heavy debate and researching this slaggy angle cut for years. I’m going to say that it’s inconclusive and is NOT evidence of controlled demolition. It was most likely cut during cleanup but again, there is no real way of knowing this because to this day we still do not know who took the photo or when and where it was taken.